>> HELLO, EVERYONE, AND WELCOME TO "AMANPOUR & COMPANY. "

HERE'S WHAT'S COMING UP.

>> WHAT WE SAW YESTERDAY WAS AN ACT OF PURE EVIL, AN ACT OF TERROR, AN ACT OF ANTISEMITISM.

>> OVER A DOZEN KILLED IN A SHOOTING ATTACK TARGETING HANUKKAH CELEBRATIONS AT SYDNEY'S BONDI BEACH.

PROMINENT MELBOURNE RABBI GABI KALTMANN SHARES THE SHOCK AND GRIEF OF AUSTRALIA'S JEWISH COMMUNITY.

> >> THEN FORMER MEDIA TYCOON JIMMY LAI FALLS VICTIM TO HONG KONG'S SWEEPING SECURITY LAW AS BRITAIN CONDEMNS WHAT IT CALLS A POLITICALLY MOTIVATED PROSECUTION.

I SPEAK WITH CONSERVATIVE MP ALICIA KEARNS.

> >> AND --A NEW MOVIE THAT WILL MAKE YOU LAUGH UNTIL IT HURTS.

IN "NO OTHER CHOICE" DIRECTOR PARK CHAN-WOOK FINDS DARK COMEDY IN ECONOMIC ANGST.

> >> ALSO -- >> I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT WE LIFT THESE VOICES UP IN ORDER TO DEMAND HELP AND SUPPORT FOR SO MANY AMERICANS THAT ARE DESPERATELY STRUGGLING RIGHT NOW.

>> NEW JERSEY SENATOR ANDY KIM TALKS TO HARI SREENIVASAN ABOUT HIS OWN FAMILY'S STRUGGLE WITH ALZHEIMER'S DISEASE.

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> >> WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM, EVERYONE.

I'M BIANNA GOLODRYGA IN NEW YORK SITTING IN FOR CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR.

IN AUSTRALIA A SENSE OF SAFETY AND SECURITY TRAGICALLY SHATTERED AS THE TIGHT-KNIT JEWISH COMMUNITY REELS IN THE AFTERMATH OF A MASS SHOOTING TARGETING HANUKKAH CELEBRATION ON SYDNEY'S BONDI BEACH.

MORE THAN A DOZEN PEOPLE WERE KILLED INCLUDING A HOLOCAUST SURVIVOR, A 10-YEAR- OLD GIRL, AND THE RABBI WHO ORGANIZED THE HANUKKAH BY THE SEA EVENT.

THE SUSPECTS ARE IDENTIFIED AS A FATHER AND SON DUO.

THE 50-YEAR- OLD SHOT AND KILLED BY POLICE AT THE SCENE AND HIS 24-YEAR-OLD SON, NOW LIKELY TO FACE CHARGES.

AUSTRALIA'S JEWISH LEADERS HAVE BEEN WARNING PRIME MINISTER ANTHONY ALBANESE AND HIS GOVERNMENT ABOUT RISING ANTISEMITISM FOR SEVERAL YEARS NOW.

AND AS THE HANUKKAH HOLIDAY CONTINUES WITH ITS CELEBRATION OF LIGHT AND RESISTANCE, I SPOKE EARLIER WITH RABBI GABI KALTMANN FROM MELBOURNE.

>> RABBI GABI, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR TAKING THE TIME.

I AM SO SORRY THAT THESE ARE THE CIRCUMSTANCES UNDER WHICH WE ARE SPEAKING.

I KNOW THE COMMUNITY, ESPECIALLY THE JEWISH COMMUNITY IN AUSTRALIA, IS HEARTBROKEN.

IT IS A VERY SMALL COMMUNITY.

ABOUT .

5% OF THE POPULATION.

SOME 100,000 PEOPLE.

IT'S A VERY TIGHT-KNIT COMMUNITY AS WELL.

YOU'RE IN MELBOURNE.

OBVIOUSLY THIS HORRIFIC ATTACK HAPPENED IN SYDNEY.

BUT I DO KNOW THAT YOU KNOW MANY OF THE VICTIMS AS WELL.

JUST TALK TO US ABOUT HOW THE COMMUNITY IS DOING RIGHT NOW AND HOW THE VICTIMS THAT ARE STILL HOSPITALIZED ARE DOING.

>> WELL, THE COMMUNITY HERE IN AUSTRALIA, THE JEWISH COMMUNITY AT LEAST, IS HEARTBROKEN.

WE'RE SHATTERED.

WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF JUST AN UNIMAGINABLE NIGHTMARE SITUATION.

NONE OF US COULD BELIEVE THAT SOMETHING LIKE THIS COULD HAPPEN ON THE SUN-KISSED SHORES OF AUSTRALIA IN SUCH AN IDYLLIC, BEAUTIFUL, ICONIC PLACE, BONDI BEACH.

I KNEW A NUMBER OF THE VICTIMS.

ONE OF THEM IS MY GOOD FRIEND'S FATHER-IN-LAW.

ANOTHER ONE WAS A MENTORING STUDENT WHEN I WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL.

HE WAS ONE OF THE OLDER STUDENTS THERE, MENTORING YOUNGER ONES.

ANOTHER ONE WAS A RABBI WHO I JUST SPOKE TO A COUPLE WEEKS AGO.

THERE IS SO MUCH OVERLAP AND INTERCONNECTION BETWEEN THE TWO COMMUNITIES.

WE KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE SCHOOLS OVER THERE, WITH THE DIFFERENT SHULS, SYNAGOGUES.

THERE'S A LOT OF INTERMARRIAGE BETWEEN MELBOURNE AND SYDNEY IN THE SENSE OF, YOU KNOW, JEWISH COMMUNITY MEMBERS MARRYING INTO EACH OTHER'S FAMILIES.

IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT'S UNIMAGINABLE.

UNFATHOMABLE.

AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE THOSE STILL IN HOSPITAL IN NEED OF A SPEEDY RECOVERY.

THEY'RE GOING IN AND OUT OF BEING OPERATED ON.

AND WE WISH THEM ALL THE BLESSINGS FOR A SPEEDY AND QUICK RECOVERY.

>> WE ALL DO WISH FOR A SPEEDY RECOVERY FOR THOSE VICTIMS, AND TRAGICALLY WE KNOW THERE WERE 15 WHO WERE MURDERED INCLUDING TWO RABBIS, HOLOCAUST SURVIVORS, A 10- YEAR- OLD GIRL.

IT IS UNIMAGINABLE, AND MAY ALL OF THEIR MEMORIES BE A BLESSING.

THIS ALSO HAPPENED ON THE FIRST NIGHT OF HANUKKAH.

AND YOU'VE SAID WE CANNOT COWER, WE MUST INCREASE LIGHT.

AND THAT'S VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT THE RABBI AT MY SYNAGOGUE WHERE I GREW UP IN HOUSTON, TEXAS ALSO WAS QUOTED AS SAYING.

WE ARE COMMANDED TO BRING LIGHT TO DARKNESS.

IN THE TIME WHEN JEWS FEEL MOST SCARED TO DO SO IS A TIME LIKE NOW.

FOR PEOPLE WATCHING WHO MAY STRUGGLE TO UNDERSTAND HOW PUBLIC WORSHIP IS POSSIBLE IN SUCH A TRAUMA, WHAT DOES THAT CHOICE MEAN SPIRITUALLY FOR YOU, AND WHAT ARE YOU TELLING YOUR CONGREGANTS?

>> THAT ULTIMATELY IS THE MESSAGE OF HANUKKAH.

EACH NIGHT OF THE FESTIVAL WE LIGHT ONE CANDLE ON THE FIRST NIGHT AND PROGRESSIVELY GET TO THE CLIMAX AND THE CULMINATION OF LIGHTING THE ENTIRE CANDELABRA, THE ENTIRE MENORAH, ALL EIGHT CANDLES.

AND THE POINT IS TO DISPEL THE DARKNESS, TO PUSH IT AWAY, TO RECOGNIZE AND ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THERE IS EVIL, THERE IS DARKNESS IN THE WORLD, BUT ULTIMATELY LIGHT, LOVE OVERCOMES THE BAD, THE EVIL, THE DARKNESS.

I'M TELLING MY CONGREGATION, MY COMMUNITY THAT WE MUST SUMMON THE STRENGTH AND THE CHARACTER OF THE HEROES OF THE STORY OF HANUKKAH, THE MACCABIS, AND BE LIKE A JUDAH MACCABI AND FIND SOLACE IN OUR HISTORY, THAT WE'RE CELEBRATING RIGHT NOW AND LIKE WE'VE DONE FOR THE PAST 2,000 YEARS.

IT ULTIMATELY IS NOT EASY.

BUT TONIGHT AS I LIT THE MENORAH WITH MY FAMILY THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE DID, AND WE TOOK A MOMENT TOGETHER WITH MY CHILDREN TO REMEMBER THOSE THAT HAVE JUST PASSED, TO PRAY FOR THOSE THAT ARE INJURED, BUT ULTIMATELY TO PUSH AWAY THAT DARKNESS.

YOU KNOW, US JEWS TRAGICALLY WE'VE BEEN HERE BEFORE.

THIS IS IN ESSENCE THE STORY OF BEING A JEW.

AND EACH TIME WE'VE PERSEVERED.

WE'VE GOTTEN UP.

WE'VE SHAKEN OURSELVES OFF.

AND WE'VE CONTINUED ON, WITH LOVE AND WITH HOPE, HOLDING STEADFAST TO OUR TORAH, OUR TRADITIONS, OUR FAITH AND OUR BELIEFS.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE WILL CONTINUE TO DO.

THAT'S THE STORY ULTIMATELY OF THE JEWISH PEOPLE.

>> AND YET IT'S UNDERSTANDABLE WHY JEWS MAY BE NERVOUS, FEARFUL ABOUT CONTINUING TO GATHER PUBLICLY AND CONTINUE TO CELEBRATE AND OBSERVE THEIR FAITH.

THIS HORRIFIC ATTACK HAPPENED AS THERE HAD ALREADY BEEN SECURITY CONCERNS AMONG AUSTRALIAN JEWS THAT ESPECIALLY OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS, AS WE'VE SEEN A RISE IN ANTISEMITISM FOLLOWING THE OCTOBER 7th ATTACKS IN ISRAEL, THAT THE JEWISH COMMUNITY IN AUSTRALIA DIDN'T FEEL THAT THE GOVERNMENT WAS DOING ENOUGH TO PROTECT THEM AND ADDRESS SOME OF THEIR CONCERNS.

THERE HAVE BEEN ATTACKS ON JEWISH BUSINESSES, ON SYNAGOGUES AS WELL.

AND ALEX RIVCHIN, WHO IS THE CO-CEO OF THE EXECUTIVE COUNCIL OF AUSTRALIAN JEWRY, SAID THIS TO MY COLLEAGUE OVER THE WEEKEND FOLLOWING THIS SHOOTING ATTACK.

HE SAID, "THE GOVERNMENT HAS NEVER UNDERSTOOD EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH HERE.

THEY'VE NEVER UNDERSTOOD THE MENACE OF ANTISEMITISM, THE PSYCHOSIS THAT IT CAN TAKE HOLD OVER IN SOCIETIES AND THE OBSESSION THAT PEOPLE HAVE WITH THE HATRED OF JEWISH PEOPLE.

IT'S NOT AN ORDINARY FORM OF RACISM.

AND I THINK OUR ELECTED LEADERS NEVER FULLY GRASPED THAT AND THEY VIEWED SUPPORTING THE JEWISH COMMUNITY AS COMING WITH A POLITICAL PRICE. "

DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT PERCEPTION AMONG AUSTRALIANS?

AND WHAT IF ANYTHING CAN BE DONE TO RECTIFY THOSE CONCERNS AMONG THE ELECTED OFFICIALS IN AUSTRALIA TO MAKE JEWS FEEL SAFER?

>> I THINK LEADERS NEED TO TAKE HEED AND LISTEN TO WHAT JEWISH COMMUNITY LEADERS AND MEMBERS ARE SAYING.

AND THAT WHEN JEWS TELL ELECTED MEMBERS THAT THEY FEEL UNSAFE, THEY FEEL INSECURE, SOMETHING DOESN'T FEEL RIGHT, AND SCHOOLS ARE TARGETED, PLACES OF WORSHIP ARE FIRE-BOMBED, AND PEOPLE DON'T FEEL SAFE WEARING THEIR KIPPA OR THEIR STAR OF DAVID NECKLACES OR BEING IN JEWISH UNIFORM ON THE STREET, THEN ULTIMATELY WE HAVE A BIG PROBLEM.

AND TO BAT IT AWAY AND TO CALL IT HYSTERIA OR HYPERBOLE OR JUST ULTIMATELY IGNORE IT IS SOMETHING THAT NOW WE ARE DEALING WITH THE REPERCUSSIONS.

FOR TWO YEARS ANYONE LISTENING WE HAVE BEEN TELLING THEM THAT SOMETHING'S NOT RIGHT.

AND THE EVIDENCE WAS IN FRONT OF OUR EYES.

WHEN SYNAGOGUES ARE BEING FIRE-BOMBED.

THAT'S NOT NORMAL.

SO MANY OF US HAVE HERITAGE OF PEOPLE COMING TO THE SHORES OF AUSTRALIA IN SEARCH OF A BETTER LIFE.

HOLOCAUST-SURVIVING PARENTS AND GRANDPARENTS HERE IN MELBOURNE AND SYDNEY, SO MANY OF US ARE DESCENDANTS OF THOSE INCREDIBLE PEOPLE THAT SURVIVED CONCENTRATION CAMPS AND THE POGROMS AND THE ANTISEMITISM OF EUROPE.

SO MANY OF US HAVE FLED FROM COUNTRIES WHERE THIS SORT OF THING HAPPENS AND WE'VE COME TO AUSTRALIA IN SEARCH OF A BETTER LIFE.

A LIFE OF DECENCY, A LIFE WHERE WE CAN PRACTICE OUR TRADITION, OUR FAITH FREELY WITHOUT FEAR OF PERSECUTION, WITHOUT FEAR OF BEING GUNNED DOWN AT A HANUKKAH EVENT ON ONE OF THE WORLD'S MOST FAMOUS BEACHES.

COMING HERE TO CONTRIBUTE TO A SOCIETY AND TO ULTIMATELY LIVE HARMONIOUSLY WITH OUR NEIGHBORS.

AND OVER THE PAST TWO YEARS THAT SENSE OF SAFETY HAS SHATTERED.

AND NOW, TRAGICALLY, WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE WAKING UP AS ORPHANS, WIVES WITHOUT HUSBANDS, AND FAMILIES REALLY HURT AND DESTROYED, SADLY BECAUSE OF WHAT'S HAPPENED OVER THE WEEKEND HERE ON BONDI BEACH.

>> I'M JUST WONDERING IF WE CAN END ON PERHAPS A NOTE OF HOPE AND OPTIMISM WHEN THERE'S SO MUCH DARKNESS AND DESPAIR.

WE KNOW THAT THERE WAS HEROISM AS WELL OVER THE WEEKEND AND A BYSTANDER, AHMED AL AHMED, WHO HAPPENED TO WATCH ALL OF THIS UNFOLD AND TOOK A MOMENT TO RISK HIS OWN LIFE TO STOP AN ATTACK, ONE OF THESE TWO SHOOTERS.

AND MOST EXPERTS SAY LIKELY PREVENTED AN EVEN LARGER DEATH TOLL.

I'M JUST WONDERING WHEN YOU SEE THAT ACT OF HEROISM BY SOMEBODY WHO'S NOT A POLICE OFFICER.

I BELIEVE HE'S HAD NO EXPERIENCE, HE SAID HE'S NEVER HELD A GUN BEFORE.

WHAT WENT THROUGH YOUR MIND WHEN YOU SAW THAT?

>> AUSTRALIAN.

THAT IS THE EPITOME OF BEING AN AUSSIE.

OF STANDING UP AND TRYING TO DO WHAT YOU CAN TO ASSIST, TO BE THERE FOR SOMEBODY.

IN THIS CASE IT'S AN INDIVIDUAL, THIS HEROIC INDIVIDUAL, HE PUT HIS LIFE ON THE LINE.

AND THANK GOD HE SURVIVED AND HE I'M SURE ASSISTED IN SAVING COUNTLESS LIVES.

AND SO DID MY GOOD FRIEND'S FATHER- IN-LAW.

HE STOOD IN FRONT OF THE GUNMAN, AND HE SHOT HIM MULTIPLE TIMES.

AND EVENTUALLY TRAGICALLY HE WAS GUNNED DOWN.

BUT FOR THOSE FEW MOMENTS HE SAVED AND ALLOWED OTHER PEOPLE TO GET AWAY WHILE TAKING THE ATTENTION OF THE GUNMAN ONTO HIMSELF.

AND SADLY, TRAGICALLY PAID FOR IT WITH HIS LIFE.

AND ULTIMATELY NOW IT'S HANUKKAH.

WE'VE STILL GOT, HERE IN AUSTRALIA WE'VE STARTED THE SECOND NIGHT.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO.

WE'RE GOING TO COME TOGETHER AS A COMMUNITY.

WE'RE GOING TO ABSORB AND TAKE IN THE LIGHT OF THE MENORAH.

WE'RE GOING TO BRING IT INTO OUR LIVES.

SO MANY OF OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND NEIGHBORS, JUST PART OF THE WIDER AUSTRALIAN COMMUNITY, HAVE REACHED OUT.

SYNAGOGUES ARE INUNDATED WITH FLOWERS AND MESSAGES OF HOPE AND SUPPORT.

THIS EVENING WE GOT TOGETHER IN THE HEART OF THE CBD, FEDERATION SQUARE HERE IN MELBOURNE.

THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE CAME TOGETHER TO LIGHT THE MENORAH, AND A VIGIL.

WE HAVE THAT SUPPORT FROM THE COMMUNITY.

BUT ULTIMATELY NOW IS THE TIME WHERE AUSTRALIANS SAY ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

WE NEED TO PUT AN END TO THIS HORRIFIC ANTISEMITISM.

AND IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.

BELIEVE YOU ME.

IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.

WE FEEL IT NOW.

BUT SADLY AND TRAGICALLY WE HAD TO GO THROUGH THIS TO BE IN THIS SITUATION OF PEOPLE COMING TOGETHER AND SAYING WOW, THIS IS NOT THE AUSTRALIAN WAY OF LIFE.

THIS IS NOT HOW WE ACT HERE.

>> RABBI GABI, I WANT TO ONCE AGAIN EXPRESS MY CONDOLENCES FOR THE HORRIFIC LOSS TO THE JEWISH COMMUNITY, TO HUMANITY OVER THE WEEKEND, AND THANK YOU FOR CONTINUING TO HOLD THE COMMUNITY TOGETHER AND CONTINUING TO SHINE A LIGHT.

THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU.

GOD BLESS.

> >> NOW IN HONG KONG.

ONE OF THE CITY'S BEST-KNOWN PERSONALITIES IS FACING POSSIBLE LIFE IN PRISON.

MEDIA TYCOON JIMMY LAI WAS FOUND GUILTY ON TWO NATIONAL SECURITY CHARGES AND ONE COUNT OF SEDITION.

LAI, WHOSE NEWSPAPER "APPLE DAILY" SUPPORTED PRO-DEMOCRACY PROTESTS, HAS BECOME A SYMBOL OF HONG KONG'S SHRINKING FREEDOMS UNDER BEIJING'S RULE.

FOR MANY BRITISH LAWMAKERS THE FATE OF JIMMY LAI IS OF PARTICULAR CONCERN.

ALICIA KEARNS IS A CONSERVATIVE MEMBER OF PARLIAMENT AND A FORMER CHAIR OF THE FOREIGN AFFAIRS SELECT COMMITTEE, AND SHE JOINS US NOW LIVE.

ALICIA, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR TAKING THE TIME.

SO THE JUDGE IN THIS CASE IN HIS RULING SAID THERE IS NO DOUBT THAT LAI, QUOTE, HAD HARBORED HIS RESENTMENT AND HATRED OF CHINA FOR MANY OF HIS ADULT YEARS.

THE HONG KONG CHIEF EXECUTIVE JOHN LEE SAID THAT LAI'S ACTIONS WERE SHAMEFUL AND HIS INTENTIONS MALICIOUS.

THIS IS AN 800-PAGE VERDICT, THE MOST CLOSELY WATCHED NATIONAL SECURITY TRIAL SINCE HONG KONG'S CRACKDOWN BEGAN.

WHAT STOOD OUT TO YOU THE MOST FROM BOTH THE TRIAL AND NOW OBVIOUSLY THIS RULING?

>> WELL, TODAY IS A DARK DAY FOR ANYONE WHO CARES ABOUT DEMOCRACY, RULE OF LAW, AND OF COURSE FREEDOM OF SPEECH.

AND THE REALITY IS THIS VERDICT IS A SIGN OF JUST HOW SCARED THE CHINESE COMMUNIST PARTY IS OF VOICES, HUMAN RIGHTS DEFENDERS LIKE JIMMY LAI'S.

AND THEY ARE TRYING TO SILENCE HIM.

BUT WHAT WAS EXTRAORDINARY WAS THE SO- CALLED 800-PAGE DOCUMENT.

IT WAS SO THIN.

SO ARGUMENTS THAT HE'D HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH BRITISH PARLIAMENTARIANS WHO IN FACT HAD NEVER MET HIM.

ARGUMENTS THAT THERE WAS A RESEARCH GROUP BEING SET UP IN THE UK ABOUT CHINA AND THAT HE KNEW ABOUT IT.

THIS WAS SOME -- BUT WHAT'S INTERESTING IS THIS IS A BRITISH CITIZEN BEING PROSECUTED FOR A CRIME THAT DID NOT EXIST AT THE TIME HE SUPPOSEDLY COMMITTED IT UNDER A LAW THAT HAS BEEN NOW DESIGNED TO PUNISH HIM AND TO PUNISH ANYONE WHO CARES ABOUT THE FREEDOM OF HONG KONGERS.

>> AND YOU'RE RIGHT TO NOTE THAT JIMMY LAI IS A BRITISH CITIZEN.

THE UK IS CALLING FOR HIS IMMEDIATE RELEASE.

AND PRIME MINISTER, THOUGH, IS PREPARED TO VISIT CHINA SAYING THE UK CANNOT SHY AWAY FROM ENGAGING WITH THE COUNTRY.

SHOULD THIS VERDICT CHANGE ANYTHING OR SHOULD IT PRESENT THE PRIME MINISTER WITH AN AGENDA TO FOCUS ON A NUMBER OF ISSUES BUT THIS BEING ONE OF THEM?

>> IT WOULD BE UNCONSCIONABLE FOR KEIR STARMER TO TRAVEL TO CHINA FOR SOME RED CARPET PROPAGANDA EVENT FOR THE CHINESE COMMUNIST PARTY WHEN THEY ARE HOLDING A BRITISH NATIONAL, THEY HAVE CONVICTED HIM OF A FRAUDULENT SHAM TRIAL CASE AND ULTIMATELY HE'S BEEN HELD FOR OVER 1,800 DAYS IN SOLITARY CONFINEMENT.

THEY HAVE BLOCKED OUT THE LIGHT TO HIS ROOM SO THAT HIS FINGERNAILS ARE FALLING OUT, HE'S GETTING A HEART CONDITION, AND HE HAS LOST TEN KILOGRAMS.

THEY ARE TORTURING A BRITISH NATIONAL.

IT MUST BE A PREREQUISITE OF THE PRIME MINISTER IF HE PLANS TO GO TO CHINA THAT JIMMY LAI WILL BE RELEASED BEFORE OR DURING THE VISIT.

IT WAS ALREADY TO ME UNACCEPTABLE THAT THEY HAD RESTARTED THE TRADE TALKS CALLED JETCO THAT WE SUSPENDED AS CONSERVATIVES IN 2019 BECAUSE OF ABUSES OF HUMAN RIGHTS IN HONG KONG.

BUT THE IDEA THAT KEIR STARMER WOULD GO THERE NOW AND SAY WE NEED WARM RELATIONS, ABSOLUTELY NOT.

JIMMY LAI MUST BE RELEASED ON COMPASSIONATE GROUNDS OR WHATEVER IT IS THE CHINESE COMMUNIST PARTY NEEDS TO USE FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO RELEASE HIM.

BUT KEIR STARMER CANNOT GO UNLESS JIMMY LAI'S RELEASED BEFORE OR DURING THAT VISIT.

>> WE SHOULD NOTE THAT HONG KONG OFFICIALS SAY THAT JIMMY LAI IS RECEIVING ADEQUATE AND COMPREHENSIVE MEDICAL CARE.

BUT AS YOU NOTE, THAT HIS HEALTH IS DETERIORATING.

HIS FAMILY SEEMS TO BE CORROBORATING THAT AS WELL.

HIS DAUGHTER HAS WRITTEN A PIECE IN THE "WASHINGTON POST. "

SHE SAID HER FATHER'S HEALTH IS RAPIDLY DETERIORATING, THAT HE HAS DIABETES, HYPERTENSION, HEARING AND VISION IS FAILING, THAT HE'S SUFFERED FROM A NUMBER OF INFECTIONS AND HAS LOST AN ALARMING AMOUNT OF WEIGHT.

AS YOU TALK ABOUT ANY LEVERAGE THAT THE UNITED KINGDOM, THAT PRIME MINISTER STARMER MAY HAVE OVER XI, ONE PERSON WITHOUT DOUBT HAS EVEN MORE.

AND THAT IS PRESIDENT TRUMP.

AND BEFORE THE 2024 ELECTION PRESIDENT TRUMP, THEN CANDIDATE TRUMP SAID IN A PODCAST DURING AN INTERVIEW, HE SAID THAT HE WOULD, QUOTE, 100% GET JIMMY LAI OUT.

AND REPORTEDLY HE SAID HE RAISED THE CASE WITH PRESIDENT XI.

CAN YOU TALK ABOUT, WITH AN UPCOMING SUMMIT PERHAPS, JUST IN A MATTER OF MONTHS, IN THE SPRING OF NEXT YEAR BETWEEN PRESIDENT TRUMP AND PRESIDENT XI WHAT YOU WOULD ADVISE PRESIDENT TRUMP TO DO AS IT RELATES TO THIS MATTER.

>> LOOK, JIMMY LAI MAY NOT HAVE THAT LONG.

AND WE KNOW THAT THIS CRIME THEY'VE INVENTED SO THEY CAN PROSECUTE HIM AND OTHERS UNFORTUNATELY CAN CARRY A LIFE SENTENCE.

IT DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER THEY GIVE HIM SEVEN YEARS, 15 YEARS OR LIFE.

HE WILL DO HE WILL DIE IN PRISON IF THEY DO NOT GET HIM OUT.

I CALL ON PRESIDENT TRUMP TO STAND TRUE TO HIS WORD AND GET JIMMY OUT.

BUT THAT CANNOT WAIT UNTIL LATER IN THE SPRING.

JIMMY NEEDS TO BE RELEASED NOW.

SO DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT TRUMP SHOULD WORK WITH KEIR STARMER TO MAKE VERY CLEAR TO THE CHINESE COMMUNIST PARTY THAT UNLESS JIMMY IS NOT RELEASED AS SOON AS POSSIBLE THERE WILL BE REPERCUSSIONS, WHETHER THAT BE MAGNITSKY SANCTIONS ON THE JUDGES OR MORE SERIOUS REPERCUSSIONS FOR THE CHINESE COMMUNIST PARTY.

HE WITH LOOK TO OUR ALLIES, WE WANT TO WORK WITH OUR ALLIES ON THIS, THE G-7'S VOICES ARE VERY IMPORTANT.

BUT DONALD TRUMP MADE A COMMITMENT AND I HOPE NOW HE WILL FOLLOW THROUGH ON IT AND GET JIMMY HOME.

>> JIMMY LAI'S DAUGHTER HAS ALSO SAID IN PLEADING FOR HIS RELEASE THAT IF HE DIES IN PRISON THAT HE WILL DIE A MARTYR AND THEN SUGGESTING THAT THIS WOULD BE AN EVEN BIGGER BLOW FOR THE PUBLIC IMAGE OF CHINA.

DO YOU THINK THAT THIS IS A SITUATION, POSSIBILITY THAT THEY ARE ACTUALLY WEIGHING?

>> LOOK, THERE IS NO QUESTION THAT JIMMY LAI'S HEALTH IS SO EXTREME THAT IF HE IS LEFT IN PRISON MUCH LONGER HE WILL DIE, BECAUSE HE'S NOT GETTING THE HEALTH THAT THE CHINESE COMMUNIST PARTY CLAIMS HE'S GETTING.

IN FACT, THEY'RE TORTURING HIM BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT SOLITARY CONFINEMENT IS.

IS SO EXTREME THAT AS I SAID THEY'VE BLOCKED OUT THE LIGHT BUT THEY'RE ALSO REFUSING TO ALLOW HIM COMMUNION.

BECAUSE HE'S A PRACTICING CATHOLIC.

HIS FAITH MEANS A GREAT DEAL TO HIM.

THEY ARE DOING EVERYTHING THEY CAN TO BREAK HIM MENTALLY AND PHYSICALLY.

SO YES, THERE IS NO QUESTION THAT JIMMY LAI IS A HERO CURRENTLY TO THE PEOPLE OF HONG KONG BUT HE WILL BECOME A MARTYR IF THEY DO NOT RESCUE HIM.

AND THAT CANNOT BE SOMETHING THAT IS ALLOWED TO HAPPEN BECAUSE JIMMY DESERVES TO GO HOME TO HIS FAMILY AND TO BE WITH THEM AND NOT TO BE HELD IN A SHAM TRIAL THAT IS ALL ABOUT THE CHINESE COMMUNIST PARTY STRANGLING FREE SPEECH, FREEDOM OF RELIGION, AND FREEDOM OF DEMOCRACY IN HONG KONG.

>> THIS HAS SO MANY SIMILARITIES WITH ALEXEI NAVALNY AND HIS PLIGHT IN RUSSIAN PRISON AND THOSE IN THE OPPOSITION WHO WERE MAKING THE SAME ARGUMENT ABOUT HIS DEATH, TURNING HIM INTO A MARTYR AND BEING AN EXTRA BURDEN ON PRESIDENT PUTIN AND THE RUSSIAN, THE KREMLIN LEADERSHIP AND THEIR REGIME.

THAT DIDN'T SEEM TO MATTER AT THE END OF THE DAY.

SO THERE IS CONCERN ABOUT THE FATE OF JIMMY LAI NOW.

FOLLOWING THIS VERDICT.

I WANT TO GET YOUR REACTION TO CHINA'S FOREIGN MINISTRY SAYING THAT IT, QUOTE, DEPLORES COUNTRIES SMEARING HONG KONG'S JUSTICE SYSTEM AND THEY URGE RESPECT FOR CHINA'S SOVEREIGNTY.

>> JUST QUICKLY BEFORE I GO ON TO THE CHINESE COMMUNIST PARTY AND THEIR PROPAGANDA SPIEL, THIS CASE ALSO DRAWS ENORMOUS PARALLELS TO VLADIMIR KARA- MURZA WHO AGAIN WAS I AFREEDOM FIGHTER SPEAKING UP FOR DEMOCRACY, FREEDOM OF SPEECH, RULE OF LAW, WHO RETURNED TO RUSSIA TO STAND UP TO PUTIN AND SPEAK OUT AGAINST RENEWED ILLEGAL INVASION OF UKRAINE.

HE WAS BROUGHT HOME.

AND THAT IS THE KIND OF HOPE THAT I BEAR IN MY HEART THAT WE WILL ALSO BE ABLE TO GET JIMMY LAI HOME.

BUT LET ME MAKE THIS CLEAR.

IF ANYONE IS SUGGESTING THAT THIS PROSECUTION AND THEREFORE THE CHINESE COMMUNIST PARTY'S WORD CAN BE TAKEN IN ANY WAY AT FACE VALUE, THEY ARE UTTERLY WRONG.

AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS ALL WE NEED TO DO IS LOOK AT THE RECORD OF WHAT THE CHINESE COMMUNIST PARTY HAS BEEN DOING IN HONG KONG SINCE 2019.

THERE IS NO RULE OF LAW ANYMORE.

THAT IS WHAT THIS PROSECUTION SHOWS.

THERE IS NO FREEDOM OF SPEECH.

THERE IS NO FREEDOM OF MEDIA.

AND THEY WILL CRACK DOWN ON ANYONE WHO THEY SEE AS A THREAT TO THEIR MONOPOLY OF POWER OVER VOICE AND THOUGHT.

THIS IS A MAN WHO HAS FOUGHT FOR FREEDOMS AND THIS IS A MAN WHO WE MUST SPEAK OUT FOR SO HE CANNOT BE SILENCED.

>> ALICIA KEARNS, WE APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE TIME.

THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU.

> >> WELL, A DARKLY COMIC SOUTH KOREAN SATIRE IS THE TOAST OF HOLLYWOOD AFTER SNAGGING THREE MAJOR NOMINATIONS AT THIS YEAR'S GOLDEN GLOBE AWARDS.

"O'NO OTHER CHOICE" TELLS THE STORY OF A MAN DESPERATE TO KEEP HIS JOB AND WILLING TO GO TO EXTREME LENGTHS TO ELIMINATE THE COMPETITION.

>> IT'S THE LATEST FILM FROM ACCLAIMED DIRECTOR PARK CHAN-WOOK.

PARK JOINED ME RECENTLY TO DISCUSS WHAT CRITICS ARE CALLING AN INSTANTED MONTH MODERN CLASSIC.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

CONGRATULATIONS ON THIS FILM "NO OTHER CHOICE. "

IT'S GETTING RAVE REVIEWS.

AND IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS MOVIE WAS TWO DECADES IN THE MAKING FOR YOU.

YOU FIRST READ "THE AX" SOME 20 YEARS AGO.

TALK ABOUT WANTING TO ADAPT THAT INTO A FILM AND WHY IT STAYED WITH YOU FOR SO LONG.

>> Translator: AS ALL FILM DIRECTORS DO, I'VE ALWAYS BEEN LOOKING FOR AN OPPORTUNITY TO BOTH PORTRAY THE INTERNAL WORLD OF AN INDIVIDUAL BUT AT THE SAME TIME THE PROBLEMS WITH THE SOCIETY THAT THEY'RE A PART OF, WHICH "THE AX" DID PERFECTLY.

AND THE PROJECT TOOK SOME TIME TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.

BUT OVER THOSE YEARS WHENEVER I TOLD ANY FRIEND FROM ANY COUNTRY THEY WOULD ALWAYS SAY THAT THE SUBJECT MATTER FELT VERY TIMELY FOR THEM, WHICH IS WHY I WASN'T --I DIDN'T GIVE UP ON THE PROJECT.

>> AND THE STORY CENTERS AROUND A MAN, MAN SU, WHO SEEMINGLY HAS IT ALL.

HE'S BEEN WORKING AT A PAPER PLANT FOR SOME 25 YEARS, HAS RECEIVED HIGH PRAISE FOR HIS WORK, HAS RECEIVED AWARDS AS WELL.

HE'S MARRIED, LIVES AN AFFLUENT LIFE WITH TWO CHILDREN.

AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THINGS SPIRAL DOWNWARD.

ONCE HE LOSES HIS JOB.

AND SUBSEQUENTLY CAN'T FIND WORK FOR NOT THREE MONTHS, WHICH HE THOUGHT HE ORIGINALLY WOULD BE ABLE TO DO, BUT OVER A YEAR.

AND HE TURNS TO DRASTIC MEASURES TO SAY THE LEAST AS HE IS TRYING TO ELIMINATE ANY RIVALS FOR A POTENTIAL NEW JOB HERE.

TALK ABOUT THE DECISION TO TURN HIM INTO A MURDERER AND YOU SAY HE GOES AFTER THE WRONG PEOPLE, WHO HE SHOULD ACTUALLY BE GOING AFTER IS THE SYSTEM ITSELF.

>> Translator: MAN-SOO, OUR PROTAGONIST, IS A VERY TYPICAL MAN, AND OTHERS AROUND HIM AND HIMSELF ALSO CONSIDERS HIM A VERY GOOD MAN.

AND HE WENT THROUGH MANY DIFFICULTIES IN HIS LIFE TO ACHIEVE THE HUMBLE SUCCESS AND THE HAPPINESS THAT HE CURRENTLY HAS, WHICH HE LOST WITH HIS JOB.

AND THIS DECISION THAT THIS SIMPLE MAN COULD MAKE IN THIS MOMENT, OF COURSE HE HAD OTHER OPTIONS LIKE HE COULD FILE A LAWSUIT AGAINST THE COMPANY OR START A LABOR MOVEMENT OR EVEN BECOME A REVOLUTIONARY.

BUT THE REALISTIC SOLUTION, PERHAPS IT'S A FOOLISH SOLUTION THAT HE CAME UP WITH, WAS TO MURDER HIS COLLEAGUES.

WHICH IS ALSO A BRILLIANT METHOD IN MY OPINION.

AND THIS WAS A METHOD THAT HE FOUND THE MOST REALISTIC WHICH HE COULD FIND THE IMMEDIATE EFFECT FOR UPON EXECUTING IT.

AND I THINK THAT'S A CLEVER PREMISE THAT THE ORIGINAL NOVEL HAD FOR THE CHARACTER.

MAN-SOO IS AN INEXPERIENCED MURDERER SO, HE NEEDS TO VISIT HIS POTENTIAL COMPETITION BECAUSE HE NEEDS TO OBSERVE THEM VERY CLOSELY IN ORDER TO EXECUTE HIS PLAN.

AND IN THAT PROCESS HE REALIZES THAT THEY'RE ALL VERY SIMILAR TO HIM.

HE SENSES A BIGGER SENSE OF FAMILIARITY AND PERHAPS THEY EVEN SEEM VERY FRIENDLY TO HIM AS WELL.

AND THE MORE THAT THAT HAPPENS THE MORE DIFFICULT HIS PLAN BECOMES TO EXECUTE.

AND THAT IS THE CENTRAL PLOT AND THEME OF THIS STORY.

>> I WANT TO SHOW A CLIP FOR OUR VIEWERS FROM THE FILM WHERE MAN-SOO'S ACTUALLY GOING TO VISIT ONE OF HIS POTENTIAL WOULD-BE VICTIMS, AND THIS IS A LINE MANAGER WHO HAD HUMILIATED HIM EARLIER IN THE FILM WHEN HE HAD APPLIED FOR A JOB.

IT'S ALSO A SCENE WHERE MAN- SOO HAS TO BREAK HIS SOBRIETY IN ORDER TO FOLLOW THROUGH ON PLAN FOR MURDER.

LET'S PLAY THE CLIP.

>> WHAT DO YOU SEE WHEN YOU WATCH THAT MOMENT IN THE FILM?

>> Translator: I SEE MAN-SU, WHO IS A MAN WHO HAS BEEN PREPARING FOR MURDER, BECOME FRIENDS WITH HIS VICTIM.

BUT IN ADDITION, IT'S ALMOST LIKE HE'S LOOKING AT HIMSELF IN THE MIRROR BECAUSE MAN-SU HIMSELF HAD ACKNOWLEDGE PROBLEMS IN THE PAST AND WITH THAT ALSO VIOLENCE TENDENCIES AS WELL, AND HE'S REMINDED OF THE MEMORIES OF HIS PAST.

BUT IN ORDER TO SUCCEED IN HIS MURDER PLAN HE HAS TO DRINK THE DRINK THAT IS OFFERED TO HIM DESPITE HIS NINE YEARS OF SOBRIETY.

SO HE HAS TO NOT ONLY DRINK ALCOHOL BUT ALSO TAKE THIS BOMB SHOT THAT'S IN FRONT OF HIM.

SO THERE'S THAT SENSE OF BITTER IRONY AND ALSO COMEDY THAT COMES FROM THIS MOMENT.

>> FOR A LONG TIME I KNOW THIS WAS ENVISIONED AS ACTUALLY AN ENGLISH- LANGUAGE AMERICAN FILM.

THERE WAS EVEN --THERE WERE WESTERN STUDIOS THAT WERE SET UP TO PRODUCE IT.

WHAT CHANGED FOR YOU AND THIS FILM SPECIFICALLY, AND AS IT RELATES TO MASCULINITY, HUMILIATION, FROM A KOREAN MALE PERSPECTIVE SPECIFICALLY.

>> I DON'T THINK ANYTHING HAS FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGED MAKING THIS INTO A KOREAN FILM FROM AN AMERICAN FILM.

I DID INTRODUCE MAN-SU'S NEW HOBBY OF BONSAI, TURNING THIS INTO A KOREAN MOVIE WHICH I WAS ABLE TO CINEMATICALLY REALIZE BEYOND JUST HIS HOBBY.

BUT I DON'T THINK THE ESSENCE OF THE FILM HAVE CHANGED.

REGARDING THE MASCULINITY, THE SUBJECT OF MASCULINITY, THE KOREAN SOCIETY DOES HAVE STRONGER TRACES OF CONFUCIAN ORDER AND VALUES.

SO I DID ASSUME THAT KOREAN AUDIENCES PERHAPS MIGHT COME IN WITH STRONGER IDEAS OF WHAT KIND OF HUSBAND, WHAT KIND OF A BEHAVIOR A HUSBAND SHOULD HAVE OR A MAN SHOULD HAVE.

BUT AFTER HAVING SCREENED IT IN MULTIPLE COUNTRIES AROUND THE WORLD I REALIZED THAT AUDIENCES ACTUALLY HAVE VERY SIMILAR REACTIONS AND IDEAS IN REGARDS TO THE SUBJECT MATTER.

>> IT WAS INTERESTING HOW YOU DESCRIBED MAN- SU AS THE PROTAGONIST IN THIS FILM.

HE IS IN FACT A MURDERER.

AND DEPICT THE REAL ANTAGONIST AND VILLAIN BEING AUTOMATION AND AI.

TALK ABOUT THE ROLE THAT THEY HAVE HAD, ESPECIALLY SINCE THIS HAS BEEN 20 YEARS IN THE MAKING.

WE'VE ONLY BEEN TALKING ABOUT AI FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS.

BUT IT HAS REALLY CHANGED THE WORLD.

>> Translator: YES.

I WAS NOT ABLE TO MAKE THIS FILM FOR A LONG TIME BECAUSE I COULDN'T FIND THE INVESTMENT FOR IT.

BUT THE REASON I WAS GLAD IT TOOK THAT LONG IS BECAUSE IT ALLOWED ME TO INTRODUCE THAT CONCEPT OF AI.

SO MAN-SU HAS PUT IN SO MUCH EFFORT TO ELIMINATE HIS HUMAN COMPETITORS AND FIND THE JOB AGAIN, ONLY TO BE MET WITH A STRONGER AND SCARIER COMPETITOR, THE AI.

AND I THINK THAT ELEMENT REALLY COMPLETES A LARGE PARADOX OF THIS FILM.

SO IN THE END HE'S THIS MANAGER AND HE'S THE LAST HUMAN THAT'S LEFT IN THIS FACTORY AND HE BELIEVES THAT HE IS IN CONTROL AT THIS FACTORY.

BUT I DON'T WANT TO SPOIL ANYTHING.

SO YOU SHOULD SEE FOR YOURSELF HOW THAT FEELS FOR HIMSELF.

BUT I CAN ONLY SAY THAT IT IS A VERY SAD ENDING FOR ALL OF US.

>> AND I FELT THAT ENDING AS WELL.

AND WE SHOULD NOTE THAT AI IS NOT ONLY A GAME CHANGER IN CONCERN BUT ALSO OFFERING PROMISE AS WELL FOR INDUSTRIES FAR BEYOND MANUFACTURING, INCLUDING YOUR INDUSTRY, THE FILM INDUSTRY, MY INDUSTRY, JOURNALISM.

IT'S TOUCHING EVERY INDUSTRY IN THE WORLD.

SOMETHING ELSE THAT IS TOUCHING THE WORLD AND THE WORLD HAS BEEN WON OVER, I HAVE TO SAY, BY KOREAN INFLUENCE.

THE CULTURE IS A GLOBAL PHENOMENON.

"SQUID GAMES" AS WE NOTED MADE LEE BUNG-HUN A STAR.

KPOP.

AND THIS MOVIE IS BEING COMPARED TO LAST YEAR'S OSCAR WINNER "PARASITE. "

HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THIS MOMENT RIGHT NOW WHERE KOREAN CULTURE REALLY HAS BEEN ELEVATED?

>> Translator: FIRST OF ALL, I HOPE THIS IS NOT A TEMPORARY TREND THAT'S JUST IN FASHION.

BUT I THINK THE REASON FOR THE SUCCESS OF KOREAN CULTURE TODAY IS THAT KOREANS HAVE EXPERIENCED MANY DIFFICULTIES AND PAINS IN MODERN HISTORY.

SO INEVITABLY ALL OF US HAVE ALSO EXPERIENCED A GREAT DEPTH AND VARIETY OF EMOTIONS AND GREAT RANGE OVER TIME AS WELL.

SO I BELIEVE THAT GREAT INFLUENCE THAT KOREAN CULTURE HAS TODAY IS TRULY THE PRICE THAT --OR THE GAIN THAT WE'VE GOTTEN THROUGH THE PAIN THAT WE'VE EXPERIENCED IN OUR HISTORY.

SO I ACTUALLY QUITE FEEL BITTER ABOUT THAT.

>> WELL, I HAVE TO SAY I DON'T THINK THAT THE WEST'S APPRECIATION FOR KOREAN CULTURE IS A TEMPORARY PHENOMENON.

AND I HAVE TO ALSO SAY THAT THE REVIEWS FOR THIS FILM HAVE JUST BEEN INCREDIBLE.

WE WISH YOU SO MUCH LUCK WITH IT.

I DON'T REMEMBER THE LAST TIME I SAW 100% ON ROTTEN TOMATOES.

SO THERE'S AN ACCOMPLISHMENT IN AND OF ITSELF.

DIRECTOR PARK, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

WE APPRECIATE THE TIME.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

> >> NEXT, TO A GROWING MEDICAL CRISIS IN AMERICA.

THE NUMBER OF CASES OF ALZHEIMER'S DISEASE HAS DOUBLED IN THE LAST 25 YEARS, AND NOW RESEARCHERS FEAR THE QUEST FOR A CURE COULD BE SET BACK SIGNIFICANTLY AS FUNDING IS BEING FROZEN, DELAYED AND REVOKED.

A YEAR AFTER HE WAS SWORN IN, NEW JERSEY SENATOR ANDY KIM USED HIS MAIDEN SPEECH ON THE SENATE FLOOR TO DRAW ATTENTION TO THE MATTER.

AND HE JOINS HARI SREENIVASAN TO DISCUSS THE DIFFICULT ROAD AHEAD FOR CAREGIVERS, AS HE BECOMES ONE HIMSELF.

>> BIANNA, THANK YOU.

ANDY KIM, THANKS SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

YOU MADE YOUR FIRST SPEECH IN THE SENATE JUST A FEW DAYS AGO.

AND IN IT YOU REMARKED ABOUT YOUR FATHER'S DIAGNOSIS WITH ALZHEIMER'S.

>> I REMEMBER DROPPING HIM OFF AFTER THE APPOINTMENT AND SITTING IN THE CAR ALONE, LEFT TO GRAPPLE WITH OUR NEW FUTURE, REALIZING FOR THE FIRST TIME THAT TO MY LIST OF CORE IDENTITIES AS A SON, AS A BROTHER, A HUSBAND, A FATHER, AN AMERICAN, A PUBLIC SERVANT, I NOW ADD CAREGIVER.

>> WHY WAS IT IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO WEAVE THAT IN TO THIS CONVERSATION?

>> WELL, FIRST OF ALL, IT'S WHAT I'M GOING THROUGH.

IT'S WHAT MY FAMILY'S GOING THROUGH.

I DON'T THINK PEOPLE CAN REALLY UNDERSTAND MY STATE OF MIND AND WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET DONE IN THE U. S. SENATE WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING THE CHALLENGE THAT WE'RE FACING.

BUT ALSO BECAUSE IT'S A CHALLENGE THAT MILLIONS OF AMERICANS ARE FACING.

7 MILLION AMERICANS HAVE ALZHEIMER'S RIGHT NOW.

THAT MEANS TENS OF MILLIONS OF FAMILY MEMBERS ARE STRUGGLING THE WAY THAT I AM AND MANY, MANY MORE WITH DEMENTIA AND PARKINSON'S AND OTHER DEBILITATING DISEASES AND ILLNESSES.

YOU KNOW, THIS IS A CRISIS, BUT IT'S OFTEN A QUIET CRISIS.

IT'S OFTEN ONE WHERE WE DON'T TALK ABOUT IT.

BUT I'LL TELL YOU, EVER SINCE I GAVE THAT SPEECH WE'VE BEEN INUNDATED BY THOUSANDS OF MESSAGES FROM AROUND THIS COUNTRY OF PEOPLE SHARING THEIR OWN STORY.

EVEN MEMBERS OF CONGRESS THAT I'VE TALKED TO HAVE TOLD ME THAT THEY ARE GOING THROUGH THIS, THAT THEY HAVEN'T TALKED PUBLICLY ABOUT IT BUT THEY ARE GOING THROUGH SOMETHING QUITE SIMILAR.

AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE LIFT THESE VOICES UP IN ORDER TO DEMAND HELP AND SUPPORT FOR SO MANY AMERICANS THAT ARE DESPERATELY STRUGGLING RIGHT NOW.

>> WHY DO YOU THINK IT IS THAT WE DON'T TALK ABOUT IT?

WHY THERE'S THAT STIGMA AROUND IT.

WHY WE'RE KEEPING IT QUIET.

>> ALL OF THOSE OTHER IDENTITIES ABOUT ME BEING A SON, A HUSBAND, A FATHER, THEY ALL BRING ME JOY.

YOU KNOW, THEY ALL BRING ME OPPORTUNITY.

THE THINGS I LOVE TALKING ABOUT.

BUT THE CAREGIVER IS ONE THAT BRINGS MY FAMILY CERTAIN PAIN.

AND AS A RESULT I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, WHEN I'M AROUND MY FRIENDS I DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT, IN PART BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO THINK ABOUT IT EVERY SINGLE MOMENT.

I'M OVERWHELMED BY IT.

EVEN JUST TALKING TO YOU I FEEL LIKE JUST --YOU KNOW, I FEEL LIKE IF I WERE TO LIKE LEAN FORWARD RIGHT NOW THE TEARS WOULD JUST KIND OF COME OUT.

LIKE I AM BARELY HOLDING IT TOGETHER RIGHT NOW BECAUSE IT'S HARD.

AND IT'S NOT GOING TO EAT EASIER.

AND SO I THINK THAT THAT'S PART OF IT.

BUT I ALSO LOOK AT MY JOB AND PERHAPS THIS IS WHAT OTHERS DO, LIKE IN MY JOB LIKE WE SEND OUT CAMPAIGN MAILERS OF THE PERFECT FAMILY.

WE TRY TO SHOW LEADERSHIP MEANS THAT WE HAVE TO BE STRONG AND IMPERVIOUS TO STRESS.

THAT EMOTIONS ARE A WEAKNESS.

AND WHAT I AM TRYING TO SHOW IS THAT IT'S OKAY TO SAY THAT WE NEED HELP.

IT'S OKAY TO SAY THAT WE ARE STRUGGLING.

AND THAT'S THE ONLY WAY THAT WE'RE GOING TO ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO CREATE THE KIND OF SUPPORT NEEDED FOR MILLIONS OF FAMILIES GOING THROUGH THIS.

AND I'M PART OF THE SANDWICH GENERATION TOO.

I'VE GOT AN 8-YEAR- OLD AND A 10-YEAR-OLD AND A NEARLY --I CAN'T TELL YOU WHEN I TALK ABOUT THE STRAINS AND STRESSES OF BEING PART OF THE SANDWICH GENERATION, SO MANY PEOPLE SAY I WENT THROUGH THAT OR I'M GOING THROUGH THAT NOW OR I'M SCARED OF GOING THROUGH THAT.

WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE THESE KIND OF CONVERSATIONS AS A COUNTRY.

>> YOU KNOW WHAT'S ALSO INTERESTING IS THAT WHEN WE FIND OURSELF IN THAT TYPE OF CONVERSATION YOUR POLITICAL BACKGROUND DOESN'T COME UP.

AND I'M ASKING YOU NOW, OF THE THOUSANDS OF MESSAGES, I'M ASSUMING SOME OF THEM WERE PEOPLE WHO PROBABLY DISAGREED WITH A LOT OF YOUR POLITICS.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

I HEARD DIRECTLY FROM REPUBLICAN SENATORS, REPUBLICAN POLITICIANS, AND I'M SURE MANY OF THOSE THAT RESPONDED.

BUT THAT'S EXACTLY WHY I GAVE THE SPEECH.

IS BECAUSE WITH ALL THE DIVISIVENESS THAT WE'RE FACING RIGHT NOW AS A COUNTRY IF EVER THERE WAS SOMETHING, SOME ISSUE THAT CONNECTS US ALL, AT A FUNDAMENTAL HUMAN LEVEL THAT CAN TRANSCEND TRIBALISM, IT'S ABOUT THE LOVE OF RAISING A FAMILY AND ALSO THE CONCERN OF A LOVED ONE BECOMING SICK OR INJURED.

AND SO I'M TRYING TO CONNECT.

I COULD HAVE DELIVERED A SPEECH ABOUT CAREGIVING AND ALZHEIMER'S IN MANY DIFFERENT WAYS INCLUDING VERY PARTISAN WAYS THAT GOES INTO MY CONCERNS ABOUT CUTTING OF MEDICAID FUNDING AND OTHER THINGS.

I JUST NOT TO BECAUSE I CHOED TO TRY TO USE A SHARED VOCABULARY THAT HOPEFULLY ANYONE THAT LISTENS TO THAT SPEECH REGARDLESS OF THEIR POLITICAL IDEOLOGY, AGE, GEOGRAPHY, HOPEFULLY IT RESONATED WITH THEM.

>> THERE'S A PART OF THIS WHERE YOU TOLD A COLLEAGUE THAT YOU WOULD BE FORCED TO SEEK NOT THE BEST CARE THAT MY FATHER COULD GET BUT INSTEAD THE BEST CARE FOR MY FATHER THAT MY FAMILY COULD AFFORD.

IF YOU DON'T MIND EXPLAIN THE CHOICES YOU ARE FORCED TO MAKE BETWEEN AFFORDABILITY AND THE QUALITY OF CARE FOR YOUR DAD.

>> YEAH.

WELL, FOR INSTANCE, MY FATHER NOT ONLY IS HE COGNITIVELY DECLINING WITH ALZHEIMER'S BUT HE'S PHYSICALLY DECLINING.

HE IS UNABLE TO WALK.

I HAVE A HOME WITH STAIRS.

I CANNOT FIGURE OUT HOW TO BE ABLE TO MANAGE TO HAVE HIM BE ABLE TO BE WITH US.

WE'VE HAD TO CONSIDER DO WE MOVE HOUSES?

RIGHT NOW HE IS NOW THE AWAY LEVEL OF CHALLENGE, LAST TIME I TOOK HIM TO THE DOCTORS HE COULDN'T EVEN REMEMBER WHAT A SEAT BELT WAS ANYMORE.

AND IT'S GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE I HAVE A TOUGH DAY JOB THAT REQUIRES ME TO TRAVEL A LOT, I CANNOT BE WITH HIM AND NOW THE RECOMMENDATION IS HE GOES TO A MEMORY CARE UNIT.

THESE ARE 12,000 TO $15,000 A MONTH.

OUTRAGEOUSLY EXPENSIVE.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT UPWARDS OF 160,000 PLUS A YEAR JUST FOR THE PLACE WHERE HE IS TO BE.

HOW CAN ANYONE AFFORD THAT?

I CAN'T.

IT IS EXCEEDINGLY DIFFICULT.

AND IT'S TOUGH THAT I'M HAD TO CUT BACK ON PUTTING ASIDE MONEY FOR MY KIDS' COLLEGE FUND OR MY OWN RETIREMENT.

WE'RE THE RICHEST, MOST POWERFUL COUNTRY IN THE WORLD.

WHY DO WE FORCE PEOPLE TO MAKE SUCH TRADEOFFS?

AND I'M DOING BETTER THAN MANY OTHERS.

MANY OTHERS ARE IN EVEN GREATER DIRE CIRCUMSTANCES.

>> SO HOW WHEN YOU AND YOUR WIFE AND YOUR FAMILY SIT DOWN, HOW DO YOU MAKE THIS BIG KITCHEN TABLE DECISION?

WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO FINANCIALLY TO GET TO THAT POINT?

BECAUSE IF YOU HAD A HOME HEALTH CARE AIDE THAT MIGHT BE $85,000.

IN NEW JERSEY ADULT DAY SERVICES, THAT WOULD BE $25,000, $30,000.

THERE'S NO CHEAP SOLUTION AT ALL.

>> NO.

THERE'S NO CHEAP SOLUTION.

WE HAVE TO ENDURE.

AND AS I SAID, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO FIND EVERY WAY WE CAN TO BE ABLE TO MANAGE THIS AND WE'RE IN A BETTER PLACE THAN OTHERS.

BUT IT IS SAD TO SEE AND IT'S GOING TO GET WORSE.

WE HAVE 7 MILLION PEOPLE WITH ALZHEIMER'S NOW.

IN 2060, IN 25 YEARS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AN ESTIMATED 14 MILLION PEOPLE WITH ALZHEIMER'S IN THIS COUNTRY.

NOT ONLY IS IT GOING TO BE DEVASTATING FOR FAMILIES.

IT'S GOING TO BE DEVASTATING FOR OUR COUNTRY.

IT COULD VERY WELL STRAIN MEDICARE AND MEDICAID AND ALL OF THESE OTHER RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE AS A COUNTRY.

ALL OF US ARE AFFECTED BY IT.

ALL OF US ARE PAYING FOR THIS.

I REALLY DO THINK THAT THIS NEEDS TO BE A GREATER PRIORITY FOR US.

WHEN WE TALK ABOUT MEDICAL RESEARCH AND A DEBATE IN MY CHAMBER IN THE SENATE ABOUT WHETHER WE SHOULD BE FUNDING MEDICAL RESEARCH.

WE SEE CUTS SLASHING FUNDING TO THE N. I. H. , TO THE NSF.

THAT'S DANGEROUS.

THAT'S MOVING IN THE WRONG DIRECTION.

AND I SAY THIS AS SOMEONE, MY FATHER WAS ACTUALLY A MEDICAL RESEARCH.

HE WAS A GENETICIST THAT WAS LITERALLY TRYING TO CURE CANCER AND ALZHEIMER'S.

AND THEN NOW WHEN THE DOCTOR ASKED HIM IN A MEMORY TEST WHAT DID YOU DO WITH YOUR LIFE, WHAT WAS YOUR JOB, MY DAD DOESN'T EVEN REMEMBER THAT.

THAT ALZHEIMER'S HAS ERASED FROM MY FATHER'S MEMORY HIS LIFE'S WORK TRYING TO CURE ALZHEIMER'S.

THESE ARE THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT I HOPE PEOPLE SEE THAT PUSH US TO SAY THIS IS WORTH FIGHTING FOR, THIS IS WORTH INVESTING IN.

>> I REMEMBER READING THAT YOU GOT INTO POLITICS AND RAN FOR THE HOUSE AT A TIME WHEN THE PERSON WHO HAD THE JOB IN FRONT OF YOU WAS WANTING TO REPEAL THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT AND YOU HAD A YOUNG BABY AT THE TIME AND NEEDED HEALTH CARE.

AND NOW I WONDER, HERE YOU ARE IN THE U. S. SENATE, YOU HAVE SHARED SOMETHING THAT RESONATES WITH MILLIONS OF PEOPLE ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

WHAT CAN YOU DO ABOUT IT NOW?

ARE THERE PIECES OF LEGISLATION, POLICY PROPOSALS THAT YOU THINK HAVE A CHANCE TO GET THROUGH AN OTHERWISE INCREDIBLY DIVIDED CONGRESS?

>> FIRST OF ALL, THERE IS SOME LEGISLATION OUT THERE, BUT THERE'S MORE THAT'S NEEDED.

A COUPLE THINGS, I'M TRYING TO WORK ON INCREASING OUR MEDICAL RESEARCH.

THERE'S GREAT INNOVATION HAPPENING.

AND THESE INCREDIBLE SCIENTISTS THAT I TALK TO ARE SAYING FOR THE FIRST TIME THAT THEY COULD POTENTIALLY SEE A CURE FOR ALZHEIMER'S OR A PREVENTION OF ALZHEIMER'S COMING FORWARD.

AND I SAY THAT AS SOMEONE WHO IS LIKELY PREDISPOSED TO HAVE ALZHEIMER'S WHEN I GET OLDER.

LIKE WE NEED TO BE PUSHING ON THIS.

NUMBER TWO, IT'S ABOUT THIS LONG-TERM CARE AND CARE, UNAFFORDABILITY.

IT'S UNAFFORDABLE.

WE HAVE A CRISIS RIGHT NOW WHEN IT COMES TO THIS AND HOW IT'S BANKRUPTING FAMILIES.

IT'S CRIPPLING PEOPLE.

AND THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO GET THE CARE THAT THEY NEED.

AND THREE, THAT THERE ARE MILLIONS OF CAREGIVERS.

50, 60 MILLION FAMILY CAREGIVERS AND OTHERS WHO ARE PUTTING ASIDE THEIR CAREERS OR TRYING TO MAKE SACRIFICES TO BE ABLE TO BE THERE FOR THEIR LOVED ONES.

IT SHOULDN'T BE THIS HARD FOR THEM.

THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO RECEIVE SOME TYPE OF SUPPORT AND CARE TO BE ABLE TO HELP THEM.

SO THOSE ARE THINGS I'M WORKING ON.

I'M DRAFTING LEGISLATION.

I'M TRYING TO PULL TOGETHER BIPARTISAN SUPPORT.

I TALKED TO BOTH LEADER THUNE AND LEADER SCHUMER AND SEEKING THEIR COMMITMENT TO WORK WITH ME ON THIS TO PUSH FORWARD.

BUT AGAIN, IN ORDER TO DO THAT I DO THINK WE NEED TO BUILD A MOVEMENT.

WE NEED TO BUILD A CAREGIVING MOVEMENT IN THIS COUNTRY THAT SPEAKS OUT ABOUT THIS AND DEMANDS THE SUPPORT THAT IS NEEDED.

>> JUST RECENTLY THE SENATE BLOCKED PROPOSALS WHICH OFFERED ALTERNATIVES TO THE PANDEMIC-ERA ENHANCED PREMIUM TAX CREDITS.

RIGHT?

AND I THINK THEY'RE ABOUT TO GO UP, ACCORDING TO KAISER FAMILY FOUNDATION, OR KFF, BY ABOUT $1,016 PER PERSON FOR ABOUT 22 MILLION AMERICANS.

HERE YOU ARE NOW AT THIS DECISION POINT IN YOUR LIFE ABOUT HOW COSTS ARE GOING TO INCREASE FOR YOUR FAMILY.

HOW DOES THAT MAYBE AFFECT HOW YOU THINK ABOUT ALL THOSE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WHO ARE ALSO AT THIS POINT SAYING I DON'T KNOW IF I'M GOING TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD THIS?

>> YEAH, I'VE HEARD FROM A LOT OF PEOPLE BACK HOME IN NEW JERSEY THAT TELL ME THAT DIRECTLY TO MY FACE ABOUT HOW THEY HAVE SKYROCKETING HEALTH CARE COSTS RIGHT NOW.

WHETHER THEY'RE ON THE MARKETPLACE, THE ACA, OR OTHER TYPES OF INSURANCE, EVERYONE'S STRUGGLING WITH THIS.

AND WHAT I HOPE IS THAT WE SEE THAT WE'RE IN IT TOGETHER.

MY FATHER'S ALZHEIMER'S ISN'T ANY FAULT OF HIS OWN.

YOU KNOW, THE CHALLENGES THAT SO MANY ARE FACING, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT COULD VERY WELL AFFECT ANY AND ALL OF US.

AND WOULDN'T WE ALL WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS JUST SOME STANDARD, SOME FOUNDATION OF DIGNITY AND DECENCY THAT WE CAN BE ABLE TO PROVIDE ONE ANOTHER?

I HOPE THAT WE CAN GET THERE.

BUT YOU'RE RIGHT.

WE'RE IN AN INCREDIBLY DIVIDED MOMENT.

AND VERY DIVIDED ABOUT WHAT HEALTH CARE MEANS TO US.

AND I HOPE TO BE SOMEBODY THAT CAN STAND UP AND SHOW THIS FROM A HUMAN PERSONAL PERSPECTIVE.

TOO OFTEN -- AND I SEE THIS --AND HONESTLY, IT'S SHAMEFUL THAT I SEE THIS SOMETIMES HERE AT THE CAPITOL, WHERE IT'S CLEAR THAT PEOPLE ARE MAKING ACTIONS OR SAYING THINGS ABOUT HEALTH CARE, HOLDING UP POTENTIAL PROGRESS, BECAUSE THEY THINK IT'S BETTER FOR THEIR POLITICAL CAREER OR BETTER FOR, YOU KNOW, THEIR PARTY'S POWER.

THAT'S WRONG.

THAT IS ABSOLUTELY WRONG.

AND WE NEED TO STOP THAT.

A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK THAT CONGRESS IS DEEPLY OUT OF TOUCH.

AND IN MANY WAYS THEY ARE RIGHT.

PEOPLE THINK THAT CONGRESS IS PLAYING WITH OTHER PEOPLE'S CHIPS AND THAT THEY DON'T FEEL THE PAIN THAT OTHERS DO.

AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT I CAN UNDERSTAND EVERYONE'S PAIN.

BUT AT LEAST IN THIS EXAMPLE I CAN BECAUSE I'M GOING THROUGH IT.

>> YOU ARE THE PROUD SON OF IMMIGRANTS TO THIS COUNTRY.

YOU'RE THE FIRST KOREAN AMERICAN ELECTED TO THE U. S. SENATE.

AND I WONDER ABOUT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE RIGHT NOW BEING HELD IN DELANEY HALL, THAT'S THE IMMIGRATION DETENTION CENTER IN NEWARK.

SINTS EARLY MONTHS OF THIS YEAR.

ARE YOU CONCERNED ABOUT HOW THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT YOU AND YOUR FAMILY HAD AS IMMIGRANTS TO THIS COUNTRY ARE STRUCTURALLY DIFFERENT FOR SOMEONE NEW TO AMERICA TODAY?

>> YEAH.

LOOK, IT'S NOT ONLY STRUCTURALLY DIFFERENT BUT THE CULTURE IS DIFFERENT.

THE CULTURE OF INVITING PEOPLE IN TO INNOVATE AND GROW BUSINESSES HERE, TO SEEK SHELTER HERE.

I UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE A SOVEREIGN NATION, WE SHOULD HAVE CONTROL OVER OUR BORDERS, WE WANT TO KEEP OUR COUNTRY SAFE AND OUR COMMUNITY SAFE.

BUT THAT IS NOT MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE WITH ALSO BEING THE COUNTRY THAT HAS ITS ROOTS IN IMMIGRATION AND SEEKING THAT SENSE OF OPPORTUNITY.

BUT INSTEAD WHAT WE SEE IS THIS CULTURE OF CRUELTY AND WE SEE THAT WITH THE DELANEY HALL IN NEW JERSEY, A FOR-PROFIT DETENTION FACILITY THAT IS LITERALLY --YOU KNOW, LITERALLY TRYING TO PROFIT OFF OF THE CRUELTY THAT IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW.

IT IS A BILLION-DOLLAR CONTRACT OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS PUT TOWARDS DETAINING PEOPLE, DETAINING IMMIGRANTS.

90% OF THESE IMMIGRANTS AT DELANEY HAVE NO CRIMINAL HISTORY.

IS THIS REALLY THE BEST USE OF A BILLION DOLLARS FOR MY STATE, WHEN PEOPLE ARE STRUGGLING, WHEN PEOPLE ARE HAVING SO MUCH DIFFICULTY AFFORDING HOUSING AND PUBLIC TRANSIT AND HEALTH CARE?

IT'S JUST ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT SHOW HOW OUT OF TOUCH THIS IS WITH THE NEEDS OF EVERYDAY AMERICANS.

AND IT'S SHAMEFUL AND SOMETHING I'VE STOOD UP AGAINST.

I'VE CALLED FOR THE FACILITY TO BE CLOSED.

AND IT IS NOT REFLECTIVE OF THE KIND OF AMERICA THAT I BELIEVE IN OR THE KIND OF AMERICA THAT MY PARENTS CAME HERE OVER 50 YEARS AGO TO BE A PART OF.

>> WHAT IS THE EMOTIONAL COST FOR YOU OF CAREGIVING?

BECAUSE YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU AND YOUR FATHER HAVE HAD DIFFICULT TIMES.

>> YEAH, I THINK SO OFTEN PEOPLE THINK THAT CARE GIF GIVERS THAT THERE IS JUST THIS BOTTOMLESS RESERVOIR OF LOVE THAT THEY'RE DOING THIS FOR THEIR LOVED ONES AND THAT THEY'RE HAPPY TO DO IT.

AND LOOK, I'M A SON THAT ABSOLUTELY WILL DO EVERYTHING I CAN TO GIVE MY DAD THE KIND OF LIFE OF DIGNITY THAT HE DESERVES, THAT ANY HUMAN DESERVES.

BUT IT'S NOT ALWAYS EASY.

AS YOU MENTIONED.

AND I SAID THIS IN MY SPEECH.

YOU KNOW, MY FATHER AND I HAD A COMPLICATED AND TOUGH RELATIONSHIP.

AND IT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT NECESSARILY COMES INCREDIBLY EASY FOR ME TO DROP EVERYTHING THAT I'M DOING TO BE THERE AT A TIME OF NEED.

BUT I KNOW NO ONE ELSE WILL BE THERE.

AND WITHOUT ME STEPPING IN MY FATHER WILL NOT HAVE THE LIFE OF DIGNITY AND DECENCY THAT I THINK HE AND EVERY HUMAN DESERVES.

>> SENATOR ANDY KIM, THANKS SO MUCH.

>> THANK YOU.

>> REALLY POWERFUL CONVERSATION.

AND FINALLY, WE WANTED TO END THE SHOW BY PAYING TRIBUTE TO A TRUE ICON OF AMERICAN ENTERTAINMENT.

CELEBRATED ACTOR AND DIRECTOR ROB REINER AND HIS WIFE MICHELE, A PHOTOGRAPHER, HAVE DIED.

POLICE SAY THEIR SON IS IN CUSTODY AND HAS BEEN BOOKED FOR MURDER.

WITH THE W. A HOLLYWOOD CAREER SPANNING SIX DECADES, REINER WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR DIRECTING SOME OF THE MOST NOTABLE FILMS IN CINEMATIC HISTORY LIKE "STAND BY ME," "THE PRINCESS BRIDE," THIS IS SPINAL TAP," AND OF COURSE "WHEN HARRY MET SALLY. "

TESTAMENT TO HIS LOVE FOR MICHELE, MEETING HER INSPIRED HIM TO CHANGE THE ENDING OF "WHEN HARRY MET SALLY" SO THE CHARACTERS COULD END UP TOGETHER.

WELL, THEY WENT ON TO WORK TOGETHER ON FILMS AND FOR COUNTLESS CHARITABLE AND POLITICAL CAUSES.

ROB REINER JOINED CHRISTIANE IN 2018 AND AGAIN IN 2024, USING BOTH OCCASIONS TO ADVOCATE FOR A BETTER WORLD.

>> I HAVE FOUND MYSELF IN THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF BECOMING VERY GOOD FRIENDS WITH PRINCIPLED REPUBLICANS.

FOR THE FIRST TIME YOU'RE SEEING THE REALLY PRINCIPLED REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS COMING TOGETHER BECAUSE THIS IDEA OF WHETHER OR NOT WE PRESERVE DEMOCRACY, THAT CUTS ACROSS PARTY LINES.

>> RIGHT NOW AMERICA IS RIGHT AT THE CROSSROADS OF WHETHER OR NOT THIS WORLD STARTS EVOLVING INTO AN AUTOCRATIC WORLD AS OPPOSED TO HOLDING ON TO DEMOCRACY.

>> AND THAT'S IT FOR OUR PROGRAM TONIGHT.

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